So your argument stays the same stating that billions (well not sure were they are coming from, without proper attribution of sources) were raised out of poverty.
So your argument is in favor of people should suffer now for future generations to profit. Or am I misreading you? And what about the impact of (to stay with your example) industrialized farming on the environment? Is this a net positive still if you factor in the externalities?
Even if I agree with your argument, you are comparing people living today (or some time after the industrialization of agriculture) with people living through these times and loosing their livelihood with the need to migrate to the cities and get precarious jobs. Something by the way that paved the way to the french revolution (probably a net positiv in the long run) and at least two massive wars in the 20th century as well as Maos regime (not so sure on the net benefits of that).
I am not sure what this part about "European societies vehemently vot[ing] in favor of massive welfare and high tax programs" has to do with any of this. Sounds more like an "ad hominem" to me as I am an European.
Also - as you are derailing the discussion, let me answer the second stream here as well:
> European tech workers get absolutely screwed on salary. Swiss tech workers don't (in fact it's one of the highest paying countries after the US). Perhaps you should ask yourself why that is.
Well. If I were to live in CH, my cost of living would at least tripple. Does my Salary account for that? Also Switzerland having a way smaller talent pool market forces dictate that salaries should increase - relatively regardless of the amount of taxes to pay. If there is no talent to be easily had one has to pay a premium for talent.
I for one (German citizen) am happy about some social netting covering my ae in case my company goes under.
So your argument is in favor of people should suffer now for future generations to profit. Or am I misreading you? And what about the impact of (to stay with your example) industrialized farming on the environment? Is this a net positive still if you factor in the externalities?
Even if I agree with your argument, you are comparing people living today (or some time after the industrialization of agriculture) with people living through these times and loosing their livelihood with the need to migrate to the cities and get precarious jobs. Something by the way that paved the way to the french revolution (probably a net positiv in the long run) and at least two massive wars in the 20th century as well as Maos regime (not so sure on the net benefits of that).
I am not sure what this part about "European societies vehemently vot[ing] in favor of massive welfare and high tax programs" has to do with any of this. Sounds more like an "ad hominem" to me as I am an European.
Also - as you are derailing the discussion, let me answer the second stream here as well:
> European tech workers get absolutely screwed on salary. Swiss tech workers don't (in fact it's one of the highest paying countries after the US). Perhaps you should ask yourself why that is.
Well. If I were to live in CH, my cost of living would at least tripple. Does my Salary account for that? Also Switzerland having a way smaller talent pool market forces dictate that salaries should increase - relatively regardless of the amount of taxes to pay. If there is no talent to be easily had one has to pay a premium for talent.
I for one (German citizen) am happy about some social netting covering my ae in case my company goes under.